Another reason our country is well and truly fucked!!

[gae]

Well, since we'll all either be converted or killed, look at the bright side, Jumper.

You don't have to worry about Peak Oil anymore. [img]eek.gif[/img]

[Piña]

How can you "lose" something you never attempted.

There has never been a war on terrorism and this is just another indication that the bush has other agenda's that does not include the safety of the country.

Somehow I suspect Al-Marabh will convienently never be heard from again. Frankly I'm thinking that they may have deported him in pieces.

I wonder who that most benefits considering that they would have had to allow him to speak in his own defense now that the Supreme Court ruled against them.

What is bush hiding??

[jumper69]

There has never been a war on terrorism and this is just another indication that the bush has other agenda's that does not include the safety of the country.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You say tomato, I say to-mah-toe. It's semantics Pina. There is a war on terrorism. Whether it's being waged properly is what is up for debate.

Somehow I suspect Al-Marabh will convienently never be heard from again. Frankly I'm thinking that they may have deported him in pieces.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not likely. As a nation, we don't have the balls to do these kinds of things. However justified they may be.

[Piña]

Originally posted by Jumper69:
You say tomato, I say to-mah-toe. It's semantics Pina. There is a war on terrorism. Whether it's being waged properly is what is up for debate.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Nah, I believe it goes beyond semantics. If we, as in the bush administration, actually intended to fight "terrorism" we would have committed our forces to targetting actual terrorist supporting areas. The diversion of our troops away from Afganistan to Iraq is perhaps the biggest indicator of this.

You continue to cut the oval office of evil way too much slack. There are evil people in the world masquerading as leaders. Why is it so hard for us to accept that they might just be our leaders. Just because this is america does not mean it can't happen here. (apologies to sinclair)

Not likely. As a nation, we don't have the balls to do these kinds of things. However justified they may be.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As a nation we sure do. If we can get away with it that is. This guy is just to high profile to quietly disappear. People would notice. So why not send him home in a body bag and say we released him. Technically true.

Can you think of any other genuine reason for letting him go?

Wake up, people.

[jumper69]

Nah, I believe it goes beyond semantics. If we, as in the bush administration, actually intended to fight "terrorism" we would have committed our forces to targetting actual terrorist supporting areas. The diversion of our troops away from Afganistan to Iraq is perhaps the biggest indicator of this.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree with you on this. <font size="2">Except the "it goes beyond semantics" part since that was my original post and I can never be wrong!</font>

You continue to cut the oval office of evil way too much slack. There are evil people in the world masquerading as leaders. Why is it so hard for us to accept that they might just be our leaders. Just because this is america does not mean it can't happen here. (apologies to sinclair)

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">When Bush starts rounding up Americans and torturing them, raping them, and various other kinds of Sunday afternoon activities, then I'll concede Bush is evil like other tin pot dictators in the world. Until then, he may be dumb, but he ain't evil.
If you truly believe they are evil, then you and the rest of the country will have the opportunity to vote them out peacefully in November. This is unlike any other country that has an evil leader, i.e. North Korea, Libya, Iran, etc.

The comparison of the United States to those kinds of countries offends me. Your hatred of Bush is obvious and evident.

As a former service member I expected a little more loyalty to the CINC. Don't like him, vote him out. I may vote against him as well, but you border on psychopathing ranting and I can almost see you frothing at the mouth.

[Piña]

When Bush starts rounding up Americans and torturing them, raping them, and various other kinds of Sunday afternoon activities, then I'll concede Bush is evil like other tin pot dictators in the world.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">He?s already doing it to Iraq citizens and he is working to subvert the rights of Americans as well. It?s not that big of a leap for him to extend his reach to us. Keep in mind that he believes that he is on a mission from god. People who are on missions from god traditionally follow only the laws of that higher power and ignore any man made laws that get in the way.

Until then, he may be dumb, but he ain't evil.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Matter of opinion. I think he?s both.

If you truly believe they are evil, then you and the rest of the country will have the opportunity to vote them out peacefully in November. This is unlike any other country that has an evil leader, i.e. North Korea, Libya, Iran, etc.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Again, working on it. But your faith in this country being so different from other ?evil? countries is misplaced. Slowly but steadily this administration is working to strip our constitutional rights from us. Just like those other ?evil? countries. How long do you think it will take before we can?t vote him out? You may say this is an extreme viewpoint but can you really say it can't happen here given the direction this administration is going.

The comparison of the United States to those kinds of countries offends me.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sorry bout that but as I genuinely believe what I say to be the truth it would be un-american for me not to say it. Just because it offends you does not make it false. I hope that you can get beyond your repulsion of the idea that this country could become another ?evil? country and look at what is happening dispassionately.

Your hatred of Bush is obvious and evident.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Good. Don?t let it fool you into thinking that I am letting my hatred sway my judgment. It is the other way around. I hate him for what he is doing to this nation that I swore to defend and I apologize to no one for it.

As a former service member I expected a little more loyalty to the CINC. Don't like him, vote him out. I may vote against him as well, but you border on psychopathing ranting and I can almost see you frothing at the mouth.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As a former service member I have, nor as an active service member did I ever have, an obligation to "loyalty" to the Commander in Chief. I was obligated to follow the orders that came down from the office not to be loyal to any one person.

My loyalty, which I pledged willingly, was to protect my constitution and my country against all aggressors. All aggressors be they foreign or domestic.

Also don?t confuse my passion with psychopathic ranting. If you believed as I do you might be just as passionate.

<font size="1">(Sides I don't believe psychopaths rant. They'll kill you and think nothing of it but usually they're pretty rational in all other respects.)</font>

[gae]

Pina, since you already know that I completely and totally disagree with your politics and view of the world, please tell us all what you would do if you were in charge.

Pull out of Iraq?

Set Saddam free?

Serious questions.

[Piña]

Gae

Originally posted by gae:
Pina, since you already know that I completely and totally disagree with your politics and view of the world, please tell us all what you would do if you were in charge.

Pull out of Iraq?

Set Saddam free?

Serious questions.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That is an enormously difficult question and I don?t envy Kerry having to face it once he?s elected.

The complete and utter fuck up of a job the bush administration has made of things has guaranteed that the entire region is going to be a hotbed for years to come and straightening it out may be a next to impossible task.

Pulling out right now is not an option unless we want to see things explode. We are in a no win position and more people are going to die regardless of what we do. I would do everything in my power to bring the rest of the world into the process. I?m thinking that begging the UN/NATO to step in and handing authority, unconditionally, to them to oversee the process would be a step in the right direction.

I would immediately call for an examination of all no-bid contracts that the bush administration so happily handed out and if any of them are suspect I would suspend them if it could be done without loss of life and call for independent inquiries pending criminal charges.

I would call for inquiries into the actions of all the top administration figures in the bush white house and would make it a priority to prosecute any that are found to have acted illegally.

Saddam should take a bullet to the head. I?m thinking that will be a done deal shortly.

The most important thing I believe, is getting the rest of the world to help reconstruct Iraq and for the US to give the reigns to another authority. I fear that bush has so alienated the rest of the world with his bullying and contempt that this may not be possible.

[gae]

Hostboard folks? Please. Let's donate to the Pina-Must-Have-A-Brain fund.

The UN? Are you out of your freaking mind?

Boggles at the ignornace from the left coast.

[Piña]

Originally posted by gae:
Hostboard folks? Please. Let's donate to the Pina-Must-Have-A-Brain fund.

The UN? Are you out of your freaking mind?

Boggles at the ignornace from the left coast.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hmmm, I could set up a PayPal account for contributions.

Don't like the UN? Okay, how would you coordinate the rest of the world getting involved?